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Bates VS 17,5 with Cair System Top condition - Sell Bates VS saddle in 17.5. The saddle I bought in Nov. used from 1st hand (according to the seller) it is the Cair system installed, the saddle is without panel system. In Dec. the saddle was examined by a Bates/ Wintec saddler and the red gullet was installed and no defects were found. The saddle has superficial scratches in the leather in the area of the seat but otherwise the saddle hardly any wear marks. No warranty or return because private sale. Shipping and paypal are possible against assumption of costs. Price is VHB and includes the gullet in red and green.